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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 03:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Numerous times I&#8217;ve pointed out on BPL that the Brewers made the right move by not making any major trades for a Cliff Lee or Roy Halladay since the Brewers were blowing smoke and mirrors during their hot stretch at the beginning of the year and they&#8217;re too flawed to justify overspending for a band-aid [...]]]></description>
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<p>Numerous times I&#8217;ve pointed out on BPL that the Brewers made the right move by not making any major trades for a <b>Cliff Lee</b> or <b>Roy Halladay</b> since the Brewers were blowing smoke and mirrors during their hot stretch at the beginning of the year and they&#8217;re too flawed to justify overspending for a band-aid to heal a broken arm.</p>
<p>They haven&#8217;t overpaid for any starting pitching yet which tells me they realize they&#8217;re more than one egg short of a carton and instead have dealt for two relievers, <b>Claudio Vargas</b> and now <b>David Weathers</b>, in addition to buying <b>Jesus Colome</b>. Brewers relief pitching <a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/teams.aspx?pos=all&#038;lg=nl&#038;stats=rel&#038;type=0&#038;season=2009&#038;month=0">isn&#8217;t that great</a> but is hardly a cause for concern. Not only are the starters much worse and pitch many more innings, but <a href="http://www.brewerparadiselost.com/archives/486">the difference between</a> <b>Trevor Hoffman</b> and <b>Todd Coffey</b> and <b>Chris Smith</b> and <b>Seth McClung</b> is pretty significant. A large difference in quality between your high-leverage relievers and your low-leverage ones might put a dent in your bullpen&#8217;s ERA, but it doesn&#8217;t actually take much away from their overall quality, since I tend to measure bullpen performance in terms of what guys are performing in high-leverage situations.</p>
<p>So then why did the Brewers go out of their way to get three relievers instead of address the starting pitching they so desperately need?</p>
<p><b>David Weathers</b> is an old veteran who&#8217;s now with his second stint in Milwaukee. He tosses an 88-mph fastball, slider, and changeup, which is pretty typical, and his career 4.24 ERA looks like an average pitcher to bolster the bullpen. This year he actually has a 3.32 ERA, which means he&#8217;s doing pretty well for himself in a homer-happy park in Cincinatti.</p>
<p>His peripheral stats are a different story, though. This year&#8217;s been a bit different than his normal. His strikeouts and walks have stayed the same, but he&#8217;s suddenly developed a home run problem that makes his low 3.32 ERA pretty misleading and his peripheral stats actually worse than past years, so he actually should be getting worse, not any better. He&#8217;s sporting an ugly FIP over 5, so we shouldn&#8217;t be surprised if he gets much worse as the season progresses and his stats regress to his career numbers. He&#8217;s not really an upgrade over what they have right now, and he&#8217;s a little pricey for a reliever anyways, so the move definitely doesn&#8217;t make much sense if the Brewers are planning on contending this year.</p>
<p>Read what Weathers had to say about it:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>“I had no idea; it was a total shock,” said Weathers when reached by telephone. “I’m excited. I loved it when I was in Milwaukee and I’m excited to be coming back.</p>
<p><b>“I know the Brewers are still in the race and that’ll be fun. I haven’t pitched as much as usual this year so I feel really fresh. I feel like I can finish the season strong.</b></p>
<p>“I know a lot of the guys there and I’m ready to get out there with them.”</i></p></blockquote>
<p>See why the Brewers got him? The pen has been overworked by anyone&#8217;s standards and a fresh arm is just what they need so they can get some R&#038;R the rest of this season.</p>
<p><b>Jesus Colome</b> was a DFA pickup after getting released by the Nationals after sporting an ugly 7.88 ERA and a WHIP of nearly 2 in 16 innings for the Nationals. 16 innings really isn&#8217;t really a big enough sample size to judge one pitcher, but he&#8217;s been a career 4.62 ERA pitcher with a poor strikeout to walk ratio and a seemingly average-to-poor reliever that Doug Melvin just loves to grab from the scrapheap. He can be counted on to eat some innings since he&#8217;s had a nice extended break this season and has only pitched a few innings.</p>
<p><b>Claudio Vargas</b> is another ex-Brewer coming back for his second stint with the club. Considering he wasn&#8217;t doing much with the Dodgers and it only took a backup career catcher at best to get another fresh reliever on the club, it wasn&#8217;t a bad move to try and keep the rest of the bullpen rested for the stretch. Claudio used to start for the Brewers and would always frustratingly nibble on the outside corner, and lots of walks and poor pitching in general is what makes up Milwaukee&#8217;s starting rotation is something the Brewers tend to gravitate towards so he&#8217;ll be able to spot start whenever necessary.</p>
<p>Milwaukee hasn&#8217;t really upgraded their pen any by gathering a few middle relievers who sport frustrating ERAs, and the Crew have only fallen out of the race further, being 6 games back with 51 to play, their furthest back in quite some time. I suspect all three of these moves are related just to give the bullpen a break and provide <b>Ken Macha</b> with some more flexibility in the 6th and 7th innings. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s an attempt to bolster the bullpen for a playoff run. </p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[UPDATED BELOW!!!!!! With all the hubbub surrounding Roy Halladay I thought I&#8217;d chime in (again) on trading for him. As of right now the Crew is 2.5 games out of first place in the Central and 2.5 pitchers out of a halfway decent starting rotation. Getting Halladay would be pretty much exactly the same as [...]]]></description>
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<p><b>UPDATED BELOW!!!!!!</b></p>
<p>With <a href="http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/mlb_trade_talk/posts/71022-execs-milwaukees-a-serious-threat-in-halladay-race">all</a> <a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/jon_heyman/07/24/daily.scoop/index.html?eref=sihpT1">the</a> <a href="http://www.rightfieldbleachers.com/?p=5552">hubbub</a> surrounding <b>Roy Halladay</b> I thought I&#8217;d chime in (<a href="http://www.brewerparadiselost.com/archives/400">again</a>) on trading for him.</p>
<p>As of right now the Crew is 2.5 games out of first place in the Central and 2.5 pitchers out of a halfway decent starting rotation. Getting Halladay would be pretty much exactly the same as <b>C.C. Sabathia</b> in the &#8220;pitching godsend&#8221; department. I would hope that Halladay would propel the Brewers to a second-straight playoff berth, </p>
<p>But are you ready for years of mediocrity afterward? Take a look at Brewers 2010 contracts if Halladay&#8217;s traded:</p>
<blockquote><p>Halladay: $15.75m<br />
Jeff Suppan: $12.5m<br />
Prince Fielder: $9m<br />
Bill Hall: $8.4m<br />
David Riske: $4.5m<br />
<b>Total: $50.15m</b></p></blockquote>
<p>Assuming the Brewers&#8217; payroll sticks around $85-90 million, you have 60% of your payroll stuck in five players. None of this even takes into account the arbitration salaries of <b>Corey Hart</b>, <b>J.J. Hardy</b>, <b>Dave Bush</b>, etc. Of course this assumes <b>Alcides Escobar</b> is traded to the Blue Jays, as Hardy wouldn&#8217;t since Toronto wants the younger, cheaper talent.</p>
<p>With the money we wouldn&#8217;t save, we&#8217;d definitely wouldn&#8217;t be able to resign <b>Mike Cameron</b> or <b>Jason Kendall</b> when they hit free agency at the end of the year, meaning there would be a replacement-level CF and <b>Mike Rivera</b> behind the plate to begin 2010. In addition, next year&#8217;s rotation would be Halladay, Suppan, Parra (IF he&#8217;s not traded to the Jays), Bush, and Gallardo with no available depth in AAA and no prospects to speak of or depth in AAA in case someone gets injured. That rotation looks good on paper, but the only pitcher without an injury history is Halladay. I wouldn&#8217;t trust it to last an entire season.</p>
<p>The current core of young talent the Brewers probably won&#8217;t keep (Hart, Hardy, maybe even Weeks) begins to phase out at the beginning of 2011, so the Brewers could be entering a rebuilding mode if their current prospects take the <b>Jeremy Jeffress</b> route and don&#8217;t pan out the way they planned them to. They&#8217;ll be Blue Jays if the Brewers get Halladay, meaning that a prolonged slump in 2011 is inevitable. Are you prepared to sacrifice the well-being of the ballclub 2-3 years down the road if the Brewers try to add 1-2 wins to this year&#8217;s team? Is 1-2 wins going to be enough to win a mediocre division in 2009? </p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t tell you that, but throwing away millions of dollars in worthwhile talent to satisfy this year&#8217;s needs aren&#8217;t worth it in the long run. It&#8217;s too much of a long shot at this point to justify trading for Halladay; if the Brewers didn&#8217;t have as many holes as they do now the trade would definitely make sense.</p>
<p>One thing that&#8217;s never been mentioned was how awful last year&#8217;s offseason went for Milwaukee. Remember how C.C. Sabathia and Ben Sheets were going to net the Brewers 4 first round draft picks in last year&#8217;s draft. After both <b>Mark Teixiera</b> and Sabathia both signed with the Yankees, an odd MLB rule only netted the Brew a supplemental first rounder. When nobody signed Sheets because of his injury, the Brewers didn&#8217;t get any compensation. Going 1/4 is never going to help bolster a weakening farm system.</p>
<p>Trading for Halladay would turn the 2011 Brewers into the 2001 Brewers, basically.</p>
<p><b>UPDATE:</b> Reports are just confirming that <b>Matt Holliday</b> was just traded to St. Louis for a package of prospects including <b>Brett Wallace</b>. This trade makes the Cardinals without question a legitimate contender and sacrifices their future; Wallace is an up-and-coming phenom. More reason to hang on to prospects now, because in 2011, this division is going to be even more decidedly mediochre. Neither the Cubs nor the Astros have farm systems either, so in a couple years it may be a three-horse race between the Reds, Brewers, and Pirates.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 12:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Cody</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just some things to think about as we reach the midway point of the season&#8230; *** Milwaukee&#8217;s spent the majority of the first half playing slightly above their record. However their recent 3-8 June Swoon has them at the All-Star Break with a negative pythagorean record. BP&#8217;s playoff odds say the Brewers only have a [...]]]></description>
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<p>Just some things to think about as we reach the midway point of the season&#8230;</p>
<p><b> ***</b> Milwaukee&#8217;s spent the majority of the first half playing slightly above their record. However their recent 3-8 June Swoon has them at the All-Star Break with a negative pythagorean record. <a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/ps_odds.php">BP&#8217;s playoff odds</a> say the Brewers only have a 20% chance to make the playoffs despite being 2 1/2 games out of first place.</p>
<p>BP&#8217;s playoff odds basically combine the team&#8217;s current record and projects their <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_expectation">pythagorean record</a> for the rest of the season. Since the Brewers have scored approximately as many runs as they&#8217;ve given up, they should be expected to have a .500 record over the rest of the year, according to BP. An 83-win team won&#8217;t make the postseason; they&#8217;ll either need some luck or better play in order to capture a playoff birth.</p>
<p><b>***</b> With that said, this team isn&#8217;t as bad as their June has been, and they should pick it up. Most of <b>Manny Parra&#8217;s</b> struggles may be behind him, as a fresh look at AAA have seemingly given him more confidence in his pitches &#8212; he should return back to the form we expected him soon. <b>Dave Bush</b> is coming back from an injury and <a href="http://brewersbeat.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/07/bush_outstanding_in_his_minors.html">pitched really well</a> in a rehab assignment, so there&#8217;s no reason to believe he won&#8217;t be back to his form.</p>
<p>Remember that when the rotation is back to full strength it will be the same rotation that helped the Brewers get 18 wins in May and a 3.85 ERA. Everybody talks about trading valuable parts of the farm system away to get another starter at the deadline, but if the rotation comes back with full strength than I see no reason to trade away parts for a <b>Jarrod Washburn</b> when the pitchers the Brewers have at the moment are just as good as he would be. If there was a <b>C.C. Sabathia</b> type of pitcher available who wouldn&#8217;t cost everything but the kitchen sink to get (i.e. <b>Roy Halladay</b>), then I&#8217;d advocate getting someone, but until then, no dice. The pitching staff is just fine where they are; they&#8217;ll stop struggling sooner or later. Preferably sooner.</p>
<p><b>***</b> A could of weeks ago <a href="http://www.czwief.com/blog/?p=376">I wrote about</a> management&#8217;s use of <b>Casey McGehee</b> over <b>Mat Gamel</b> in <a href="http://www.czwief.com/blog/?p=381">many key situations</a> where it would have been better to put the lefty slugger in over the current hot bat. Well it appears McGehee&#8217;s finally cooled off: <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?n1=mcgehca01&#038;t=b&#038;year=2009&#038;share=1.19#57-62-sum:batting_gamelogs">he&#8217;s 2 for his last 14</a> over this current homestand and has sat in favor of Gamel recently, probably because of the problems he has with his knee.</p>
<p>McGehee might be entering a prolonged slump here. I only say this because he&#8217;s a career .283/.340/.429 hitter in the minors and it&#8217;s really, really unlikely a 27-year-old would suddenly find his swing. If scouts for the Cubs would have seen this kind of power or discipline at the plate with any kind of consistency, they wouldn&#8217;t have placed him on waivers just a few months ago.</p>
<p>Since his knee is still struggling and it&#8217;s likely he&#8217;s starting to slump at the plate, now is the time to ride Gamel until Casey&#8217;s back to 100 percent.</p>
<p><b>***</b> The upcoming schedule for the Brewers is incredibly easy and the Cardinals lead just might evaporate pretty rapidly through August. After spending the last couple weeks before the All-Star break playing the toughest and best teams in the NL, they spend the next month and a half taking a break against them. Here&#8217;s a quick list of who they play until the end of August:</p>
<blockquote><p>4 @ Cincinnati<br />
3 @ Pittsburgh<br />
3 vs. Atlanta<br />
4 vs. Washington<br />
3 @ San Diego<br />
3 @ Los Angeles<br />
3 @ Houston<br />
3 vs. San Diego<br />
3 vs. Houston<br />
3 @ Pittsburgh<br />
4 @ Washington<br />
3 vs. Cincinatti<br />
3 vs. Pittsburgh</p></blockquote>
<p>The only good team the Brewers play until the end of August is LA, and every other series is absolutely winnable. That&#8217;s 12 of the next 13 series against .500 or lower teams. With the starting pitching coming back to full strength, I&#8217;m not so sure the Brewers need to trade for a pitcher, nevertheless anyone. I&#8217;m thinking 14 games against the Padres and Nationals coming up soon might solve some of the sicknesses that have been plaguing Milwaukee since the beginning of the year.</p>
<p>Another thing to consider is that the Brewers essentially started off the season with a 4-9 mark calling for the head of a couple of players. They were patient and waited it out &#8212; and were rewarded in May. Let&#8217;s wait a little while before panicking for <b>Roy Halladay</b>.</p>
<p><b>***</b> <b>Prince Fielder</b> owns.</p>
<p><img src="http://media.jsonline.com/images/365*400/fielder-hr9.jpg"></img></p>
<p>A lot of people aren&#8217;t swooning over Prince as much as I thought they would after bumping up his OPS by over .200 points from last year. His on-base percentage is a whopping .423 &#8212; he&#8217;s learned to take walks. He&#8217;s on pace for about 40 homers. Pitchers are too afraid to throw him strikes now that he just takes the free pass to first &#8212; this <b>Dale Sveum</b> hitting philosophy is way better than <b>Jim Skaalen&#8217;s</b>.</p>
<p>One more thing I thought about Skaalen: Last year with the Brewers, virtually every single hitter put up mediocre numbers compared to their career norms. After he was subsequently fired, he&#8217;s now the coach of the Oakland Athletics. The A&#8217;s are currently awfully underachieving due to the offense putting up incredibly mediocre numbers. Is there a coincidence here?</p>
<p><b>***</b> Prince Fielder owns.</p>
<p><a href="http://media.jsonline.com/images/365*400/fielder-hr9.jpg"></img></p>
<h6>img courtesy Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel</h6>
<p>People aren&#8217;t giving him enough credit this year for being incredibly awesome. He had a down year last year after his 50-homer season, but has only increased his OPS by 200 points from this year and is getting on base at nearly a .440 clip and is on pace for 40 home runs. Pitchers now fear throwing him strikes with a base open almost entirely and he&#8217;s really become a complete hitter.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;ll keep up his .440 on-base percentage; he has a higher batting average on balls in play (BABIP) than he&#8217;s had through the rest of his career. But his walk rates are so far up that it&#8217;s not inconceivable he could OBP over .410 by the end of the year, which would make him one of the top-5 non-<b>Albert Pujolsian</b> hitters of the game. He&#8217;s not getting enough credit for being awesome.</p>
<p>After Fielder signed his 2-year, $18 million contract I questioned his value to the team compared to what other people perceived his value as. He&#8217;s since exceeded any expectations I had for him, being a complete hitter and being more than worth his contract. A Fielder for <b>Matt Cain</b> trade I proposed awhile ago would probably have backfired.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Manny Parra made his first start today after a four-start stint in AAA where he did pretty darn well compared to his big league disaster. His peripherals aren&#8217;t quite there yet (19K, 13BB, 24 2/3 innings pitched), but he did a good job of keeping the ball in the park and on the ground. He&#8217;s [...]]]></description>
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<p><b>Manny Parra</b> made his first start today after a four-start stint in AAA where he did pretty darn well compared to his big league disaster. His peripherals aren&#8217;t quite there yet (19K, 13BB, 24 2/3 innings pitched), but he did a good job of keeping the ball in the park and on the ground. He&#8217;s appeared to regain at least some confidence and with the rotation in flux as it is it&#8217;s time to bring him back.</p>
<p>He decided to perform admirably, to the tune of 7 shutout innings. He hardly had any jams and used the sun to his advantage (<b>Todd Coffey</b>, however, did not). He threw a ton of strikes after complaining about not having the confidence to throw any of his pitches for strikes and got ahead of hitters better than I&#8217;ve seen him do all season long.</p>
<p>With him coming back and hopefully being a solid rotation piece, should the Brewers still trade for another starting pitcher to last them through the rest of the season?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.czwief.com/blog/?p=388">I wrote on Monday</a> about the current state of the pitching market and why it makes sense for the Brewers to just stand pat where they are, with regards to <b>Doug Davis</b>. Now, all of a sudden, <b>J.P. Ricciardi</b> says <b>Roy Halladay</b> is available for trade and all of a sudden everbody&#8217;s nuts for Halladay! FOX Sports&#8217; own Boras-mouthpiece <b>Ken Rosenthal</b> said in his article that <a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9777314/Jays%27-Halladay-all-but-gone-in-Toronto">Halladay is &#8216;all but gone&#8217;</a> in Toronto. Whoo, how exciting! Maybe the Brewers will finally add that pitching piece they so desperately need.</p>
<p>But wait! There&#8217;s more. Here&#8217;s what Toronto&#8217;s GM Ricciardi had to say about Halladay just yesterday:</p>
<blockquote><p>It would take a lot for us to part with him. We&#8217;ve gotten a lot of calls from teams but none of them are telling us at this point what they&#8217;re willing to give up. If you&#8217;re coming at us with a &#8216;B&#8221; list of young players, don&#8217;t bother. This is one of the five best players in baseball. It&#8217;s going to take a significant package of players for us to even listen. So as the teams call we&#8217;ll go through the ones we feel are the serious ones and then we&#8217;ll start scouting their farm systems to see if there&#8217;s anything we can do.”</p>
<p>“My gut feeling is no we won&#8217;t [make a deal] because there aren&#8217;t too many teams out there who are willing to give us the significant package of prospects we would need to make this go. Teams protect their prospects.</p></blockquote>
<p>In other words Ricciardi said that a player even as good as Halladay is available but it&#8217;s going to take a mountain of candy to sweeten the deal enough for them. This suspiciously sounds like the media is trying to create a story out of nothing.</p>
<p>Of course now that Halladay&#8217;s been brought up, the media <b><i>has</b></i> successfully made something out of nothing. <a href="http://www.brewcrewball.com/2009/7/7/941500/rumorville-roy-halladay">The internet</a> <a href="http://www.millerparkdrunk.com/baseball/we-make-the-case-to-roy-halladay/">is abuzz</a> <a href="http://wisconsinsportsblogs.blogspot.com/2009/07/unofficial-chuckie-hacks-poll-halladay.html">with Halladay rumors</a>. The problem with all this new trade talking is that the media has successfully created a story when there might not be one. No more complaining about how much attention <b>Brett Favre&#8217;s</b> gotten!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/roy-halladays-trade-value">Here</a> is a pretty interesting article about Halladay&#8217;s current trade value with what he should get on the market. Here&#8217;s some of the more important points:</p>
<blockquote><p>First off, let’s look at Halladay’s win values over the years. Since 2002, he’s been worth about 46 wins in 1,585 innings, or right around an average of six wins per year. He’s on pace for about a seven win season this year, and he shows no signs of slowing down. Going forward, ZIPS projects a 3.21 FIP and 106 innings in his remaining 15 starts this year, which would be worth another 3.5 wins. Halladay is a +6 to +7 win pitcher, easily the best in baseball.</p>
<p>The market value for wins took a tumble on the low end last year, but at the high end, teams were still willing to pay around $5 million per win for premium free agents. Based on that, we’d say that Halladay’s fair market value is something like $30 to $35 million per season. However, those $5 million per win contracts were all long term deals, which carry extra risk to the organization and therefore pull down the annual average value that teams are willing to pay. <b>With only a 15 month commitment, the long term risk with Halladay is substantially lower, and teams should (and will) pay a premium for that risk avoidance.</b></p>
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<p><b>But, you can’t forget about the fact that he’s very likely to be a Type A free agent at the end of 2010, and the acquiring team would be able to recoup two quality draft choices if they didn’t re-sign him as a free agent.</b> Thanks to some good work by Victor Wang, we can see that the value of Halladay’s Type A status is around $8 million or so.</p>
<p>$52 million for Halladay’s performance + $8 million for the draft picks = $60 million in total value. He will be paid $22 million over that time frame, so 60-22 = $38 million.</p>
<p><b>To acquire the Jays ace, teams should be expected to surrender something like $40 million in value. </b></p>
<p>What does $40 million in value look like? Something like three terrific prospects who are not that far from the majors. No one’s giving up players from the Matt Wieters/David Price mold, but it’s going to take several players from that second prospect tier, the top 25-50 type guys.</p></blockquote>
<p>So in order to obtain Halladay the Brewers would be looking at shipping away <b>J.J. Hardy</b> or <b>Alcides Escobar</b>, <b>Lorenzo Cain</b>, and <b>Bret Lawrie</b>, at the very least. Does that sound worth it to you?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not the biggest fan of disarming the entire farm system to set the franchise back multiple years just to gain an extra win or two for 2009. The really nice thing about last year&#8217;s <b>C.C. Sabathia</b> trade was that it didn&#8217;t handicap the franchise for the upcoming years; <b>Matt LaPorta</b> was blocked and the other prospects involved weren&#8217;t exactly the major-league-ready types. If the Brewers were to give up $40 million for Roy Halladay&#8230;that would destroy the franchise. $40 million is almost half of the Brewers&#8217; current salary.</p>
<p>It would be different if Halladay was sour grapes about his time in Toronto and the Blue Jays were looking to get what they could for him. However it sounds like Halladay is happy in Toronto and Ricciardi is just as happy keeping him there. In other words, he&#8217;s not going to take pennis on the dollar for Halladay. $40 million in talent seems about right.</p>
<p>It just doesn&#8217;t make sense to trade away the farm system &#8212; or anyone, for that matter &#8212; with the rotation the Brewers have at the beginning of the year. Parra&#8217;s only slightly broken (and hopefully is back for good) and when Bush comes back the rotation will be back to where it was at the beginning of the year and in May when the Brewers were the best team in the major leagues. Overpaying for Halladay or Javier Vazquez isn&#8217;t going to be the answer. It&#8217;s just not going to be worth it.</p>
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